2004-06-12 [allenp]: HI ALL!...Please read the competition rules and feel free to use this wiki to link up with would be Portrait Buddies :)

2004-06-14 [Raevynn14]: oook, whos joining me?

2004-06-14 [Sunrose]: yay! *^_^*

2004-06-14 [Relfrome]: too bad :( Ive got no close up piccy of me... hmm well I do got one, but its too.. stupid >.<

2004-06-14 [Sunrose]: can't u make one?

2004-06-14 [Relfrome]: I dont have a digital cam.. T_T

2004-06-14 [Sunrose]: i would come by and make one for u, but almere is a bit too far hihi...i think u have talent so it would be a shame if u could not join...

2004-06-14 [Relfrome]: Thanks! That was so nice of you. ^__^ Oh well... I'll just go search in my drawer if theres one that I could put up...

2004-06-14 [Sunrose]: yw :D....i'm sure u'll find one...

2004-06-14 [Relfrome]: Well Guess what, I did found one.. but I cant stand looking at the picture.. let stand placing it on the internet.. >>.<<

2004-06-14 [Sunrose]: i think u make an art outta exaggeration! it'll be fine. besides: u don't have to look at it, u'r buddy will.... ;)

2004-06-14 [Relfrome]: ugh.. thats the point.. >.<

2004-06-14 [Sunrose]: that was a joke hon! it will be fine!

2004-06-14 [Relfrome]: you think so? I mean... yeah.. I really dont know..

2004-06-14 [Luthien Ancalime]: Hey, ne one need a buddi? If ya do just msg me! Thanks :)

2004-06-14 [Relfrome]: hmmm.. Ive got a question, why should a team excist of one female and one male?

2004-06-14 [allenp]: variety

2004-06-14 [Relfrome]: aaahh ok :)

2004-06-14 [Sunrose]: lol

2004-06-15 [Relfrome]: me and [hji] are a team now ^_^ Yays! I gots a partner!

2004-06-15 [Sunrose]: yay good 4 u [Relfrome]! *^_^* i am glad!

2004-06-15 [hji]: heey! great to see you're also in this [Sunrose] ^_^

2004-06-15 [Sunrose]: ain't it fab!

2004-06-15 [hji]: yeah.. I hope I could make enough time to make a good drawing of [Relfrome]

2004-06-15 [Sunrose]: I'm sure u will have enough time...

2004-06-15 [hji]: I just have to work hard.. because I must make a painting for a television church service...

2004-06-15 [Sunrose]: yeah? way cewl!

2004-06-15 [hji]: yeah that would be great.. and it is a hard subject.. so I must work hard on that one..

2004-06-15 [Sunrose]: how did u get that assignment?

2004-06-16 [hji]: the people in my church know that I could paint and draw.. they asked me to do it.. thats how ^_^

2004-06-16 [Sunrose]: what kinda painting is it gonna be?

2004-06-16 [hji]: yeah it's a divicoulte subject.. it's about the hurt and pain that God doesn't stop.. and about the trust we must have in the bad times.. I have not a good idea yet but I will try to think something good..

2004-06-16 [allenp]: that is an incredible subject....thought provoking

2004-06-16 [hji]: yeah it is.. but there is also a bight side.. because God is there and wouldn't leave us.. so there could also be joy in the painting.. but I have no idea how I could do that.. 

2004-06-16 [allenp]: it brings to mind the "One set of footprints in the sand" Poem/Song (not sure the actual title). Stating that you may feel alone, and or suffer great tragedies that will not be directly relieved....but he will still be there to comfort you (looses interpretation). Much like letting your child fall off the couch so he learns not to do that anymore...it hurts.....but you still pick him up and hold him/her. Perhaps I over simplified that and I am certainly not looking for a religious debate....not my schtick......but maybe that will help with ideas.

2004-06-16 [hji]: yeah that was a part of the subject.. but I must think some more.. I wan't to make a good painting with a deeper meaning in it.. thanks for your thoughts I will think about it..

2004-06-16 [SerenityBug]: wow.. i have all of Lee's books

2004-06-16 [Sunrose]: I am just curious, not to start a debate or anything, but what do u believe then [allenp]? and maybe same question 4 u [hji]...if u guys would please me *^^*

2004-06-16 [hji]: I'm a Christian I believe in God and our saviour Jesus Christ... I hope that is what you wanted to know [Sunrose] ^_^

2004-06-16 [Sunrose]: hmm what is the difference between what u believe and what others believe (others outside your church and such)? (this question is a serious one, not meant sarcastically)

2004-06-16 [hji]: do you mean the diverence between other churches of just people without a believe

2004-06-16 [Sunrose]: just any belief...what is it that distinguishes u'rs...

2004-06-16 [hji]: sorry I can't explane al this in english..

2004-06-17 [Raevynn14]: so, Christianity... (hope your ready for a life time tutorial!)

2004-06-17 [Raevynn14]: A Christian is someone who believes that Jesus Christ (Whom we believe to be the only begotton son of God) is our lord and savior

2004-06-17 [Raevynn14]: Jesus was a Jew, and what they used to do in order to repent from their sins was to sacrifice an animal (usually lamb, dove etc...) Jesus Christ came and died for us as the Ultimate sacrifice, so that we all can be saved! the closest religion to Christianity is Jewdism (They have the Torrah AKA the Old Testiment, while Christians have Both the Old and New Testiment)... any more questions?

2004-06-17 [Raevynn14]: I need a Guy to draw (that can draw so that my face isnt mutilated ;) come all ye artists!

2004-06-17 [Luthien Ancalime]: lol you're not the only one raevynn =)

2004-06-17 [Sunrose]: not all Christians belief the same...

2004-06-17 [hji]: all the Christians believe in Jezus Christ.. only there are diverence in the explanig and understanding of the bible..

2004-06-17 [Sunrose]: exactly my point...and the way u integrate it into your life...that might be the biggest difference... . what is said here are general remarks, but what does it mean in your personal life?

2004-06-17 [hji]: I just try to live as good as I can.. beeing nice to others help eachoter and never trying to lie.. I will try to live as Jezus showd us to live...

2004-06-17 [Sunrose]: do u believe in things like energy or paranormal stuff?

2004-06-17 [hji]: hmm the energy you mean is God and the pananormal stuff is just the work of God so yeah I think could say I believe in it..

2004-06-17 [Sunrose]: but what the about the energy of people?

2004-06-17 [hji]: hmmm yeah I believe people could do more than whe think.. but we must watch out with that.. because it could also be evil sperits that do stuff through you..

2004-06-17 [Sunrose]: and aura's? energy like that?

2004-06-17 [hji]: you mean a protection or something?

2004-06-17 [Sunrose]: no aura's are described as the energy of that person being around him or herself....and that some people have the gift to see or feel aura's...that an aura represents who you are, it shows if you are ill and so on

2004-06-17 [hji]: hmmm yeah I think that could be..

2004-06-17 [Sunrose]: what do you think of the idea that everything consists out of energy (which can be meant scientifically: humans do consist out of atoms and energy like material does too, but also meant paranormally which science doesn't support) and that what is called God is the source of all energy (it's just a name u give it then)?

2004-06-17 [hji]: hmmm you could see it like that.. but I will not go that far.. God isn't just an energy source.. no I don't believe that.. we humans can't think about that we could never know what God is exactly.. or minds are to small to understand that..

2004-06-17 [Sunrose]: so u'r actually saying that u should leave what u believe open? in a way that god could be anything? coz i wonder how u would think about heaven and hell then: leaving faith open also means that u'r not sure there is a heaven and hell, but that those could exist and that they could exist in different ways than the bible desribes. like reincarnation.... .

2004-06-17 [Sunrose]: and then i come up with another matter: do u believe that people come on earth to learn certain lessons and then go on (or back) to the next level? next level could then be heaven.. . in the case of reincarnation it would be becoming another lifeform and in terms of energy it would be returning as a human again and learn different lessons by new life-experiences...

2004-06-17 [hji]: no that I don't believe.. there is no other leavel or stuff.. no we get the live here for the first time and if you trust Jezus and love Him and just believe you will go to heaven and that would be the best there is.. no sin only happienes.. there wouldn't be a next heaven or something like that.. but there would be diverend parts in heaven..

2004-06-17 [Sunrose]: no but i meant that heaven itself is kinda like a next heaven. isn't it true that this world was created by God, but that there were other places he had made before this and that he didn't succeed in getting only the good on this planet, that he made heaven to get the good to there. it is kinda what a recall. but maybe that's is yet another belief. it is said that when Jezus comes he will judge you and that then he will take u to heaven (unless there were too many sins, or certain sins) and that is why u need u'r body: so that u will be able to walk to where Jezus will judge you. Do u believe that?

2004-06-17 [Sunrose]: Since that is for some the reason to not be cremated but burried...

2004-06-17 [hji]: hmm it doesn't matter if your body is cremated.. you will get a new body an better one..

2004-06-17 [Sunrose]: u do? how would that work then?

2004-06-17 [hji]: hmm I don't know that exactly.. but if jezus comes back the death would rise to heaven and there we would get a new body..

2004-06-17 [Sunrose]: ok *^_^*. is there a particular thing u hold on to in what u believe? (not reffering to the part where we will go to heaven and that God is then our savior coz that has more to do with when u die and i am talkin about things in u'r daily life right now)

2004-06-17 [hji]: look around you!!! how could there be now God? where did we come from? it could never been a explosion or something.. no.. if I look to the nature I just believe

2004-06-17 [Sunrose]: oh but i did not mean to say there is none...i am not attacking u nor defending my beliefs, i am just seeing what u believe.... . when one beliefs in something different than God, one can not see what you see when looking around. so that would have no point. it is like one person said to me: 'if jezus knocks on the door of your heart, u should open it" but if u do not believe that jezus is actually there, why open the door. and if u do open the door will u really see jezus. since u'r lack of faith will probably make u blind for what is there, if it is there

2004-06-17 [hji]: yeah thats divicoulte.. yeah Jezus wants us all to love him.. but we have a choice.. if you don't want it you can't see it.. and if you want it it could sometimes take a while bevore you really see it..

2004-06-17 [Sunrose]: i wonder if you could actually say that Jezus Wants us all to love him, i think even he lets ppl make their own choice to love him or not and that he accepts that ppl make that choice. but of course he would want u to feel the feeling he gets with the belief of the existence of God

2004-06-17 [Sunrose]: especially him actually

2004-06-17 [hji]: yeah thats right

2004-06-17 [Sunrose]: if there are all those different beliefs: could all those worlds exist at the same time? or does one exclude all others?

2004-06-17 [hji]: most of the believes are based on the same God.. but they don't believe al in Jezus..

2004-06-17 [Sunrose]: i don't know if that's true, almost every faith has a profet or something like that just as Jezus too

2004-06-17 [Sunrose]: and even though they could be based on the same God, there are many differences as well that technically could not excist together: u can't reincarnate And only die once..., but could it be possible that one who believes in reincarnation reincarnates and one that believes in heaven would go to heaven...? assuming that those two options are not the same thing...

2004-06-17 [allenp]: could we move this conversation to a board more suiting....if one doesnt exist maybe it should be created

2004-06-17 [Sunrose]: it's u'r contest, u'r forum, whatever u want..

2004-06-17 [hji]: hehehehe yeah.. lets talk about the contest.. how could we look if the picture looks on the drawing?

2004-06-17 [Sunrose]: if the drawing looks like the picture u mean?

2004-06-18 [hji]: yeah ofcours stupid of me ^_^"

2004-06-18 [Sunrose]: well if u put the picture next to the drawing (which the contests says u should do), then u can see *^_^*

2004-06-18 [hji]: yeah.. also 300 wide?

2004-06-18 [Sunrose]: yup

2004-06-18 [hji]: eh.. I have a little problem with the time I could draw.. [allenp] is it possible that I could start some earlyer.. because I go on vacation to Austria on the 7th of july.. so I would have only a few day's for it is I start on the 30th of june.. could I start a week earlyer or something like that..?

2004-06-18 [allenp]: yep

2004-06-19 [A.W.O.L]: Yay! I got to take part! Hmmm now I've just got to find me a male artist...*wanders off to kidnap one*

2004-06-19 [Perplexity]: Why is it the females seem to be all over this contest and its hard to find a male counterpart?? =/

2004-06-19 [A.W.O.L]: tell me about it!

2004-06-19 [Sunrose]: i think coz there are more female elftowners and come to think of it: probably more women visit [allenp]'s house and look through his stuff than men would... *^_^*

2004-06-19 [allenp]: there are some quality male artists here on E.T.....look in the yellow pages :P

2004-06-19 [Sunrose]: ;)

2004-06-19 [Leebah]: hehehehe....silly people!!! :) partner up w/e.o! *throws confetti in the air* "whee!!!"

2004-06-19 [Perplexity]: There just arent that many quality males heheh period! Allen is definitely one of em though, artistically and all that other stuff.

2004-06-19 [Sunrose]: yeah but he can't participate in his own contest :p...besides if he could it would not be fun: he would be the favorite before he even drew anything whuahaha

2004-06-19 [Perplexity]: yeah no kidding hehehheh would be a BIT unfair ;)

2004-06-19 [Sunrose]: it is! hihi

2004-06-19 [Relfrome]: XD I agree!

2004-06-19 [xDyingx Valentinex]: lol ill join >: D

2004-06-19 [Perplexity]: Gotta message [allenp] - do you have a partner, Duece?

2004-06-19 [Sunrose]: cewl! welcome!

2004-06-19 [xDyingx Valentinex]: no.. *goes to message mr. p*

2004-06-19 [Relfrome]: oooooh Welcome Aboard Fella! ^^

2004-06-19 [Perplexity]: Fella?

2004-06-19 [xDyingx Valentinex]: sweetheart im all female

2004-06-19 [Perplexity]: Yea was gunna say hehehhe Duece is absolutely all woman!

2004-06-19 [Relfrome]: oooh ^^'' Im soooooooooo sorry!!!

2004-06-20 [xDyingx Valentinex]: well with boobs like these i hopes so lol *innocent grin* no worries >: )

2004-06-20 [Relfrome]: I couldnt recognise your gender by your screenname.... >.<

2004-06-20 [xDyingx Valentinex]: ahh should have clicked me first >; )

2004-06-20 [Relfrome]: lol I know... but I didnt :P

2004-06-20 [xDyingx Valentinex]: *pats and continues making jelly*

2004-06-21 [Perplexity]: KY?

2004-06-21 [Raevynn14]: do to doo doo i might have a buddy! (he needs to message Allen)

2004-06-21 [allenp]: awesome...I eagerly await

2004-06-21 [Raevynn14]: lol

2004-06-21 [Raevynn14]: [Alaric the Sinner] is the name

2004-06-21 [xDyingx Valentinex]: lol ky! young lady! >; ) would i do such a thing.... yes lol

2004-06-21 [A.W.O.L]: I still can't find one! *sob*

2004-06-21 [Sunrose]: yay! 5 teams! the contest is on!

2004-06-21 [Raevynn14]: are you looking or waiting??

2004-06-21 [A.W.O.L]: I've been looking and waiting *sigh*

2004-06-21 [Relfrome]: aawww... *hugs [A.W.O.L]*

2004-06-21 [Lady Ann]: might I suggest a male artist for someone? try [bo2]: excellent artist & top-rate individual. He was actually looking for someone to do a portrait of... might be up for a contest, too.

2004-06-21 [allenp]: thanks [Lady Ann]...I hope that tip works out for someone :)

2004-06-21 [Luthien Ancalime]: *hugs* Thank you so much [Lady Ann]!

2004-06-21 [allenp]: by the way...for those of you who haven't visited [Lady Ann]'s house....please do...her art work is incredible and should inspire a few ooo's and awww's

2004-06-21 [Raevynn14]: oooo... ahhhh